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20:37 Jul 20th 2010
| Trebor Minty
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Apparently it is going to be sold for £130, bundled with Kinect Adventures…what do you guys think?
Seems a bit pricey to me, particularly if they want to appeal to casual gamers, especially as a Wii is only £154 and that comes bundled with a couple of Wii sports games. Having just sold my Wii (didn't ever come out of the box after being packed for a house move six months ago), I'm not advocating it, but I also can't picture splashing out on a big bit of Microsoft plastic to sit under my TV.
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20:43 Jul 20th 2010
| dudester
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It gets a huge no from me tbh at this point would be more likely to get move but even then I think I'm prepared to wait for it go down in price.
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20:50 Jul 20th 2010
| windjunky
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They'll drop the price when they can't shift units off the shelves.
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20:54 Jul 20th 2010
| MantisMat
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Way too much money as it is to stack up against a Wii only owner.
However for those family types, or just people who have money to spend and like the idea of the motion control a Wii can bring while also being able to have HD top of the range gaming – might be worth it.
I'm hoping that by the time its on shelves its at least £99.99 – anything more just seems too much – there may be some interesting tech going on, but thats far too much
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22:46 Jul 20th 2010
| The likely Lad
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way way way too much ! ive been stung by camera peripherals in the past the original the live camera sits gathering dust in a draw with no support/games!
My main concearn with these camera type games is correct light! my house is not a studio and i could never get the light conditions right for any of the live camera games to work well will this be an issue with Kinect!
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23:03 Jul 20th 2010
| Hugo Rune
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They can f#cking swing for that money.
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23:20 Jul 20th 2010
| RichieDee76
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I have to set up another lamp I my living room, in the daytime, so my daughter can play eye pet so theres no way in hell kinect is gona work. I think Playstation move works on the same pricipals as wii though so i hope it wont be a problem. BUT if either costs more than £100 my moneys gona stay in my pocket. The only prehersal ever to be worth that kinda money is a Logitec G25 stearing wheel or the Steel Batalion controller on original xbox.
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23:39 Jul 20th 2010
| Richard Birkett
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Have a look at the front page if you want to see my full opinions, but yeh just totally over-priced for me really. It's just ridiculous.
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23:45 Jul 20th 2010
| Phizzy
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Well the PS move should work better than Wii, the only light source required is the controller itself. And you don't have to point it at an arbitrarily positioned stick.
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00:45 Jul 21st 2010
| currierox
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Thats far too much for me. They could easily sell that for cheaper and lose a bit of money on the hardware and make it back in software sales, more kinects sold= more software sold, there just shitting in there own garden with this 1.
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05:37 Jul 21st 2010
| guernica2
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Isn't there a bundle with a new xbox? Does that make it any cheaper?
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08:44 Jul 21st 2010
| Azrial
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£130 they can feck off with that 10 year old laggy Eye Toy shit! I also have issues with lighting, I can't play anything with the camera unless I open the curtains, and I NEVER open my curtains, but with Move, this won't be an issue, and it's only about £70.
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09:14 Jul 21st 2010
| Jim
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Zero Wolf said:
£130 they can feck off with that 10 year old laggy Eye Toy shit! I also have issues with lighting, I can't play anything with the camera unless I open the curtains, and I NEVER open my curtains, but with Move, this won't be an issue, and it's only about £70.
+1 Move is the better Deal
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10:22 Jul 21st 2010
| Bob Lord of Doom
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I think move sounds much better especailly since the playstaion eye camera only picks up the glowing ball on the move controller so low light levels might actually help. I also think it is a bit crap kinetic only works if you are standing and the games looked quite poor as well
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11:22 Jul 21st 2010
| duggydarko
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Post edited 14:49 – Jul 21st 2010 by duggydarko
Looks too gimmicky for me. I play games to chill out and relax not to jump about like a twat (unless im playing Rock Band ;-)
If they bring out some truly inventive/creative IPs that really utilise the tec then I may give it a go if the price drops a bit but untill then Microsoft can poke it im affraid.
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14:28 Jul 21st 2010
| marmaladegirl
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Way overpriced. I'll be waiting and will have to try it in person to be sold on it. If that happens I might buy it once the price drops.
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16:25 Jul 21st 2010
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I'll be getting it.
I have a group of friends who are not gamers at all. When we get together we generally play Singstar, or Wii Bowling, if we're not playing a board game like cranium or family fortunes etc.. This is the perfect compliment to that.
I like tech. I bought the HD-DVD drive (still have it) even though I knowe if might have no shelf life. This will enable me to be even lazier. What not to like?
I can see my very young kids being able to play thiese games from a very early age, and get involved. My wife who plays very little will play. Thats a win win for me. Its expensive but so was my PS3 and even my Wii. In fact the only bit of game tech I've ever regretted buying was the Wii Balance Board. The only thin that thing did was measure your distribution of weight. KLinect might work out equally gimmicky but I think even with what is being bundled, this is the choice over the move.
Move doesnt interest me at all. The only reason I use the wiimote is that it is the only way to play some of these games. If I can use the controller at all I'm gonna use that. Plus all this talk about re-registering when I switch players, not being able to move when playing etc makes the whole thing pointless to me.
Anyway, my 2 d.
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17:06 Jul 21st 2010
| Ti1t
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altered_ego said:
I'll be getting it.
I have a group of friends who are not gamers at all. When we get together we generally play Singstar, or Wii Bowling, if we're not playing a board game like cranium or family fortunes etc.. This is the perfect compliment to that.
I like tech. I bought the HD-DVD drive (still have it) even though I knowe if might have no shelf life. This will enable me to be even lazier. What not to like?
I can see my very young kids being able to play thiese games from a very early age, and get involved. My wife who plays very little will play. Thats a win win for me. Its expensive but so was my PS3 and even my Wii. In fact the only bit of game tech I've ever regretted buying was the Wii Balance Board. The only thin that thing did was measure your distribution of weight. KLinect might work out equally gimmicky but I think even with what is being bundled, this is the choice over the move.
Move doesnt interest me at all. The only reason I use the wiimote is that it is the only way to play some of these games. If I can use the controller at all I'm gonna use that. Plus all this talk about re-registering when I switch players, not being able to move when playing etc makes the whole thing pointless to me.
Anyway, my 2 d.
You have to stand – up to use it… i mean come on! Imagine getting into a hardcore 3+ hour session in your fav kinect game…… You would be shattered. Balls to that tbh
Move is my motion controller of choice. Far more accurate, far more responsive and real potential of some very inovative games. Also, with dead space extraction coming to the PS3, i see no reason to get a wii anymore (other than maybe mario galaxy).
Kinect can suck it. I almost bought the new 360 recently, thinking that it came with kinect and finally had built in wifi. Turns out it only has the kinect power port on the back of it. So that's:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Xbox-3…..amp;sr=8-1
And
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kinect…..=1-1-spell
all for the low low price of £320.
Or…..
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-P…..amp;sr=1-1
and
http://www.amazon.co.uk/PlaySt…..amp;sr=1-1
all for the low low price of £300… Difference being, you get a superior product from a company that doesent try to charge you for online play and gives you a top of the range bluray player included in the package. I'm not a PS3 fanboy (even though i did say superior product), im just trying to state the obvious 
Oh and it also has 3D enabled games…………….
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17:16 Jul 21st 2010
| Azrial
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Why does everybody keep saying you need to stand to play Kinect, you can stand, sit, or even lie down, it will still detect your position and let you play.
http://www.thesixthaxis.com/20…..d-players/
http://www.thesixthaxis.com/20…..-down-ish/
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17:57 Jul 21st 2010
| dudester
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In those they both clearly stated that sitting or laying have to be coded for into the game am pretty sure as far as titles we know of so far they haven't.
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20:22 Jul 21st 2010
| The likely Lad
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So like most people i enjoy watching my movies with the curtains closed and the lights down! if i have kinect and i want to use it to select the movie etc will i be able to do that in those conditions!
Untill something of interest, something that cant be done on anything else something akin to milo and ive seen some reviews of this from people using it in your average home not some mock flat or large penthouse apartment i will hold fire.
Think microsoft need to do alot to win over their core audience and i dont think the casual audience who they are hoping to court will be interested as tehy own the wii!
And the fact that the 4gig slim kinect bundle costs more than a wii does not help!
too expensive and too late to the party comes to mind!
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20:28 Jul 21st 2010
| Ti1t
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Oh yeah, im sure that you can sit down and use it… but as dudester says, it needs to be coded into the games. At the moment, non of the games on the lineup are sitdown and play. Not only that, does anyone actually want any of the games on the lineup? For 'core' gamers like us, it seems kinda pointless.
PS3 Move has been made with core gamers in mind. Killzone3, SoCom and even sorcery looks like the sort of game i would play. I don't really want to be arguing about which controller (or lack there of) is the best, i just can't help but notice that at the moment, the Move really does seem to have the upper hand.
Sure it's pretty much ripping off the Wii, but its not only improving the concept but bringing it to HD games. Basicly its Sonys way of beating the Nintendo to the Wii – HD.
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20:59 Jul 21st 2010
| Phizzy
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altered_ego said:
Move doesnt interest me at all. The only reason I use the wiimote is that it is the only way to play some of these games. If I can use the controller at all I'm gonna use that. Plus all this talk about re-registering when I switch players, not being able to move when playing etc makes the whole thing pointless to me.
I don't understand. I haven't heard of these problems before, it sounds like you just made them up on the spot. Please elaborate.
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23:41 Jul 21st 2010
| Azrial
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Post edited 23:45 – Jul 21st 2010 by Zero Wolf
Ti1t said:
Oh yeah, im sure that you can sit down and use it… but as dudester says, it needs to be coded into the games. At the moment, non of the games on the lineup are sitdown and play.
None of the launch games granted, but how hard is it to code the sit down part, if they are writing a game, a few extra lines of code isn't going to kill them is it, I can pretty much guarantee that games released later will have the sit down code implemented, I'm not defending the Kinect, as it still looks shit to me, but for casual gamers and kids, I can see the appeal, and no doubt a few months after it's been out, some decent games might start appearing, I'm interested in how Fable 3 will put it to use.
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08:05 Jul 22nd 2010
| tridentmorph
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Out of move and kinect being PS3 only I'm more interested in the practical use of the sony device.
But the actual tech of kinect looks great IF they can get it working; without lag, in poor light, seated and with a good selection of games. From what I've seen at launch this looks unlikely and for £130 I can't see the huge adoption that would encourage more work to solve the above issues.
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08:34 Jul 22nd 2010
| altered_ego
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Phizzy said:
altered_ego said:
Move doesnt interest me at all. The only reason I use the wiimote is that it is the only way to play some of these games. If I can use the controller at all I'm gonna use that. Plus all this talk about re-registering when I switch players, not being able to move when playing etc makes the whole thing pointless to me.
I don't understand. I haven't heard of these problems before, it sounds like you just made them up on the spot. Please elaborate.
I'm sure I've heard it in numerous places but Jeff Cannata from the Totally Rad Show and Weekend Confirmed definitely mentioned previously that when they were playing 'the fight' game that they were told that although your natural instinct was to move your feet while playing, that if you did the control scheme wouldnt work. Might be one game, who knows? As for the resetting or resyncing I've heard on numerous podcasts that it has to calibrate the globe thing with your height etc. and the whole thing takes around 30 secs.
As for Kinect, I'm pretty sure the RGB uses body heat for detecting the person and then there is also another camera there for depth of field (which I dont know if low level light will effect, but definitely those pods at E3 they set up were pretty low light).
As for the games, I'll still be playing Socom and Killzone 3. Just not using the Move, and as I said about the Kinect games, I'm not fussed at the moment about the hardcore gaming experiences. They will come in time. My pile of shame is large enough without adding to it.
I'm not here to promote one of these techs over the other, as there are a lot of unanswered questions about the 2 of them and everyones lives are different. I see Kinect fits better into my lifestyle. Move, I could pick up in a year or so, who knows. Much like everyone else here, it'll depend on when a game I must play comes out that only supports that mode of motion control.
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09:33 Jul 22nd 2010
| Ti1t
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I really don't think that programming in recognition for sitting down and laying down is going to be that easy at all.
Has anyone seen that James May program about robots? That Asamo robot being made by Honda (which has been in development for years) still has issues telling the difference between tables and chairs. Eventually it figures it out, but its hardly instantaneous. Now if you take that same sort of example to kinect. Can you imagine how hard its going to be for it to figure out the transition between standing > sitting > laying down. Let alone figuring out what stance your in to start with. CCTV has issues with working out who's who in crouded streets, and thats developed by specialist companies and governments.
This sort of tech sounds really good and everything, but i really do need convincing that it works. I know that when i eventually get to play with it, the first thing im going to look at is exactly how hard it is to break it. I mean, that took me 5 minutes with the Wii. Playing Wii sports etc, quickly changed from standing up doing big elaborate movments, to sitting down with a cup of tea, flicking my wrist.
I suppose one of the big factors is that i can see and understand how PS Move is going to work. All i can think about with Kinect is how its going to break. Practicly, how is Kinect going to have anything hardcore enough for me to enjoy it?
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12:36 Jul 22nd 2010
| Phizzy
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Post edited 13:11 – Jul 22nd 2010 by Phizzy
'A few lines of code' is likely a massive oversimplification. I haven't seen the Kinect SDKs but I'd imagine interpreting different body positions would take more than a few lines of code. You can barely do anything with a few lines of code, geez.
altered_ego said:
As for Kinect, I'm pretty sure the RGB uses body heat for detecting the person and then there is also another camera there for depth of field (which I dont know if low level light will effect, but definitely those pods at E3 they set up were pretty low light).
An RGB camera is just a standard camera, RGB means Red, Green, Blue, the standard digital colour space. It detects colour that the human eye can see!
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16:01 Jul 22nd 2010
| dudester
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Alos I don't know about others but finding a spare 6 ft of space just for kinect would pretty much make it a no go to start with.
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