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23:00
Jan 13th 2011
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ShatnerzBassoon
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Been following this story with a lot of interest for the last week.
It was just a matter of time after Sony laid down the gauntlet to the Homebrew community by removing the Other OS/Linux function from the PS3 after it was used as a partial bypass to the security functions. It seems this time the hack cant be fixed by firmware and if they changed the authorisation key which is now in the public domain on newly manufactured hardware then every game produced to date would cease to run on the new machines….. Sony are understandably somewhat distressed about the whole situation.
Will be interesting to see how things pan out, sadly the floodgates to piracy are now undoubtably opened and thinking back to how publishers left the Dreamcast in droves when a similar thing happened to Sega theres no wonder Sony have got warm shepherds pie running down the back of their legs :-(
Do we think its the begining of the end? 
An excert from CVG below summarises it quite well:
Hackers have finally completely torn apart the PS3's few remaining lines of defense against running unauthorised code.
George 'Geohot' Hotz, famed for cracking the iPhone platform and making way for the infamous Jailbreak, has decrypted the so-called "root key" of the PS3 and posted it onto the internet for everyone to work with.
A PS3 Jailbreak was indeed released late last year and allowed for the running of pirate games, but for reasons too technical for us to completely understand, it was restricted in its access to the console's inner working limiting its uses.
This new development basically means that the homebrew and piracy scene will now essentially be able to create anything they like, from homebrew apps and games, to PSP-style custom firmware and, unfortunately, pirate games, without restriction.
Similarly, another hacking team by the alias of 'fail0verflow' has decrypted and reconstructed the tools needed to sign code in the exact same only Sony should be able to, and released these tools on the internet. This means that any unofficial executable file created for PS3 can be made to appear as a Sony-authorised program even to entirely unmodified PS3s.
What's more, these signature keys operate at the core of PS3, meaning this cannot be fixed simply by releasing a new firmware. Sony, to put it bluntly, has lost this fight.
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01:18
Jan 14th 2011
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Mesozoic Prinny
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Well at least we can be sure Sony will encourage people to stay on the straight and narrow by adding awesome new features to the official software (as well as trying to block the scurvy pirates), and not just spend their money on pointless cease-and-desist lawsuits against the hackers and crackers.
Oh, wait, no.
Nevermind.
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11:24
Jan 14th 2011
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Painkiller62
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Things like this make furious as it will be us the true gamers that will suffer in the end, its like everything else in society that certain individuals ruin for personal gain.
It would have been a different matter if they had hacked it and gone to Sony and explained to them how they had done it, they may even have, had a job offer but NO all they want is their 5 minutes of fame!…………Come the glorious day these people will be first against the wall!
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13:16
Jan 14th 2011
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guernica2
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Post edited 13:17 – Jan 14th 2011 by guernica2
Painkiller62 said:
all they want is their 5 minutes of fame!
I'm not sure that chap wants any fame. I'm sure to people like him, it's just a challenge to be undertaken and overcome.
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"I fractured my thumb on the mute button, but I think I made my point." Jeff 'Joker' Moreau
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14:29
Jan 14th 2011
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Azrial
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He did it, because Sony removed Linux, not for fame or piracy gains, seeing how his jailbreak won't work pirate games, it's purely so people can use and create their own homebrew software, and not be restricted to only use what Sony tell them they can use.
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15:10
Jan 14th 2011
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ShatnerzBassoon
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Unfortunately this new hack does allow pirated games to be run… its basicly the software key that Sony provides to tell the PS3 the software is genuine… thus with the key you can run anything you like… and unlike the Xbox 360 hacks you don't even have to mod your hardware so it requires no technical know how.
Sony were very foolish… promoting a specific function as a reason to buy their hardware (ability to run other OS/Linux) and then subsiquently removing it once they identify the potential for a security breach and offering no alternative was arrogant. Although its looks very unlikely, I hope thy find a fix for it before the Bittorrent community goes into overdrive because that would be bad news for all of us 
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15:44
Jan 14th 2011
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ShatnerzBassoon
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Ohh dear.. CVG repoirts today that it seems the Trophy system may have been hacked now as well….
Only one thing left to do Mr Sony:
Step 1: Collect a large quantity of domesticaly produced shit
Step 2: Purchase a large diesle powered industrial fan
Step 3: Turn on fan and stand in front of it
Step 4: Throw shit directly at fan
http://www.computerandvideogam…..?id=283575
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16:43
Jan 14th 2011
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onyxbox
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I suppose it was only a matter of time before they went after the trophies. It's a real shame this hack has come into fruition because it's damaging to the industry as a whole, the culture and just generally devalues the thing gamers have enjoyed for many many years… competing for score.
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I hope Sony find a way of getting this under control.
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17:42
Jan 14th 2011
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ShatnerzBassoon
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Adamski… seems the floodgates have opened and there are all kinds of things coming out of the woodwork as this hack just opens the entire system up… on the multiplayer front the suggestion seems to be that the PS3 is now no more secure than PC multiplayer which is littered with bots, cheats and mods.
The biggest problem for Sony is that this is not a hardware hack…. Microsoft have managed to retain control to a degree after the Xbox was hacked by identifying 360's which have firmware mods to their drives and banning them from Live thus for the most part retaining the integrity of multiplayer and the Achievements system. The concensus seems to be that as there is no modification at all to the PS3 hardware required and the 'pirated' or 'homebrew' software will be proceeded by the genuine Sony authorisation key it will be totaly undetectable and as such unstoppable.
I dont want to be wondering if I keep getting thrashed on COD because some knobber is using an auto aim mod and if the trophy hack proves to be genuine that would be a real shame… it would just totaly undermine everyones genuine achievements
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21:08
Jan 14th 2011
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Azrial
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I betting that Sony would have tabs of what you've bought and what you've got installed on the system, and seeing as there's no SNES/GBA….. emulators available on PSN, they should be able to tell that your running hacked firmware.
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22:37
Jan 14th 2011
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onyxbox
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I guess trophies are only relevant between people who know each other anyway and since I don't think anyone I know would cheat I guess it doesn't matter too much.
I suppose in a way it means communities such as MLG, Eurogamer etc. become all the more important so that games can be set up between people who (sort of) know each other.
Just had a few games of BFBC2 and there wasn't any shenanigans going on. I wonder if games that are 'server based' are less susceptible to being exploited?
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23:06
Jan 14th 2011
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Rebel
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ShatnerzBassoon said:
Unfortunately this new hack does allow pirated games to be run… its basicly the software key that Sony provides to tell the PS3 the software is genuine… thus with the key you can run anything you like… and unlike the Xbox 360 hacks you don't even have to mod your hardware so it requires no technical know how.
Sony were very foolish… promoting a specific function as a reason to buy their hardware (ability to run other OS/Linux) and then subsiquently removing it once they identify the potential for a security breach and offering no alternative was arrogant. Although its looks very unlikely, I hope thy find a fix for it before the Bittorrent community goes into overdrive because that would be bad news for all of us
On the one hand it's sad that the PS3 has now been compromised so completely but I for one can't work up anything close to sympathy as it probably wouldn't have happened had they not locked linux out on the pretext of "security"
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23:39
Jan 14th 2011
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Phizzy
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Whaaaat, this has absolutely nothing to do with the removal of Linux. What are you talking about?
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02:28
Jan 15th 2011
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Rebel
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Actually it has, the initial efforts were to break the bootstap lockouts preventing the execution of linux and not for the spoofing of signed code within the PS3 (running pirated games) and the only reason they started this was because sony decided to castrate a system and artificially remove a feature that was previously supported.
There is a strong possability that had sony not decided to screw with the linux fans it would have never been cracked open.
They sold a lot of consoles on the back of these features, there are a number of PS3 clusters and render farms taking advantage of the paralistation of the processors.
As I said, it's a shame that in the end the gamers are going to come out of this worse off but then if I had dropped 500quid (or whatever the launch price was) on a media centre and then manufature turns around and says, sorry this is a games system so we are no longer going to play blu ray, I would be quite inclined to ensure that my system plays blurays again.
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10:10
Jan 15th 2011
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Mesozoic Prinny
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Geohot's first hack (Jan 2010) was before Linux was removed, and the removal of Linux (March 2010) was Sony's knee-jerk reaction, so it wasn't always about Linux. Without a doubt Sony made a massive mistake removing Linux support, it was the proverbial red rag to a bull, but Geohot did make the first move.
For a long time even getting Linux to run on a 'standard' PC required some serious RTFMing, not to mention editing or writing completely new driver code, and in spite of that geeks were still porting Linux to any and all architectures they could find. There are Linux geeks who see getting Linux to run where it's not supposed to as a sport, like the members of team fail0verflow.
The funniest thing about all of this is that Sony are trying to have the code that's used to enable these hacks removed from the internet. Someone at Sony had clearly never heard of the internet before now.
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10:20
Jan 15th 2011
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ShatnerzBassoon
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Jurassic Prinny said:
The funniest thing about all of this is that Sony are trying to have the code that's used to enable these hacks removed from the internet. Someone at Sony had clearly never heard of the internet before now.
lol.. quite right… the code is available to buy printed on mugs and t-shirts if you search online lol
Below is the link to the press conference by the Fail0verflow guys who did the hack…. 45 minutes but makes for very ineteresting viewing… they are very clear that until the point that Sony poked them with a hot stick by removing the OtherOS function they had absolutely no interest in breaking the system… my favourite part is ''Sonys code generation system uses a random number which makes it hard to break… unfortunately for Sony they use the same random number everytime'' 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..re=related
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21:32
Jan 15th 2011
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Rebel
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I disagree with the sony removal being a knee jerk reaction, they had been looking for an excuse / reason for quite some time, it was flagged and pretty obvious that they indented to drop it with other updates and hypervisor changes, that and the fact that slim shipped pre disabled. (giving them the pretext that they had a unified base again not having to support multiple builds, when they could have just left it enabled for everyone on the slim.
Offical line is that SCE don't want to have the costs of driver support for the hypervisor between hardware revisions, persoanlly I call bullshit on that, if the micorcode was THAT different it would probably break older PS3 games. (one of the key points of a console developement is single platform support, why would sony break that?)
It's also worth noting that they explicitly lied by saying they would maintain support for the PS3s so yes you could call it a premtive stike but the battle lines had be drawn a LONG time before the firmware push in march.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2…..tall_loss/
http://gamesilike.com/?p=98
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09:51
Jan 17th 2011
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ShatnerzBassoon
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Seems the Trophy hack is now confirmed and also syncs with PSN successfuly… and theres loads of people kicking off on the PSN and Infinity Ward Forums about Modern Warfare 2 having been hacked with auto aim bots and messages along the lines of ''You got fucking owned'' appearing on the after game score screen
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19:16
Jan 17th 2011
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Rebel
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So they *NEVER* put any server side checks in against the software connecting to games???
So much for consoles not having cheaters. Sigh.
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22:18
Jan 17th 2011
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Joe Pascal
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This makes me very sad indeed. Opening the floodgates for hordes of pre-pubescant geeks to distribute and install ISO's while desecrating PSN with hacks and cheats.
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22:04
Jan 18th 2011
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ShatnerzBassoon
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Post edited 22:08 – Jan 18th 2011 by ShatnerzBassoon
Official comment from Infinity Ward website:  So when your suddenly getting hammered on MW2 it may not just be that, like me, your shit… but cos some mo fo's aimbotting your arse
Infinity Ward’s community manager Robert Bowling admitted that there is nothing the developer can do until the PS3 hacking controversy is resolved and mended. “Games rely on the security of the encryption on the platforms they're played on, therefore updates to the game through patches will not resolve this problem completely, unless the security exploit itself is resolved on the platform,” Bowling wrote on Infinity Wards website. “Call of Duty games are receiving the bulk of the hackers’ attention, due to their high player counts and popularity. However, the number of legitimate players severely outweighs the bad apples.
“At this time, we do not have the ability to restore or adjust individual stats.”
Fans of the game are likely to run into people using aimbots, god-mode, super jumping and infinite ammo; the cheats are not unlike what was seen on the xbox360 only that they are more widespread. Perhaps most troubling was that hacked game lobbies are able to wipe away all previously earned stats. Bowling offered that gamers should “play exclusively with friends by utilizing the party of private match options until this issue is resolved by Sony.”
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02:35
Jan 21st 2011
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On the plus side, perhaps devs won't reject PC platform so much now for cheating now that people can cheat on all the platforms, maybe more effort should be put into detecting and preventing cheating on all of the platforms…
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